Will the Real Thinking Adventist Please Stand up? PartTwo

Posted December 1st, 2008 by Clifford Goldstein*

(admin note: I mentioned this article here)

For years now I’ve been a proud recipient of Dale Ratzlaff’s little scandal sheet,  Proclamation! , whose whole raison d’être is, apparently, to bash Adventism, all under the guise of course of preaching the gospel, or at least his version of it (which seems to be getting more and more Calvinistic).

Nevertheless, every now and then he gets it right, and below is a quote from his latest issue (September/October 2008), which catches a deep truth. Writing about some of those who have left the SDA church, he says: “Further, we did not only leave historic Adventism; we also left liberal Adventism that demeans the law, the atonement of Christ, the complete reliability of Scripture, and the sovereign authority of God including His wrath.”

Heeee . . . heee . . . heee….

Though I do not quite sure how a guy who rejects the fourth commandment finds the chutzpah to talk about those who “demean the law,” he’s sure got it right about the liberals (actually, they’re “leftists,” not “liberals,” but that’s another blog), the self  proclaimed “thinking” Adventists that I talked about in my last blog.

Let’s look, for example, at what the so called “thinking” Adventist does with the “complete reliability of Scripture.” I recently had an article on Daniel 2 in the Review (Oct 16, 2008). Just good old, Daniel 2, kind of a cornerstone of Adventist prophecy. Well, on another blog, one filled with “thinking” Adventists, a blogger went ballistic, attacking the article because I actually was so closed minded to believe what the texts themselves say about when the book was written.

I mean, how could I be so stupid, so narrow, that when the Daniel says–“And in the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadnezzar dreamed dreams, where with his spirit was troubled, and his sleep brake from him” (Daniel 2:1) or that “In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters” (Danel 7:1) (sic)–I actually believe it? What a non-thinking Adventist I must be!

In contrast, this “thinking” Adventist then quotes a “scholarly reference” from the New Jerusalem Bible (Catholic, I think), which states that Daniel was written between167 and 164 B.C., and not during the reign of Babylon and Media-Persia as it says about itself. So, what do we have? The Bible dates Daniel about 600 years before Christ, this “scholarly reference” dates only about 160 years earlier—and which one do you think this (so called) “thinking” (so called) “Adventist” accepts?


Of course, true thinking Adventists have long ago seen what a dead-end higher criticism leads to, and have made a conscious choice to not follow down that path, which leaves the Bible in tatters: Abraham didn’t exist, God didn’t divide the water during the Exodus (if there even were one), Jesus wasn’t resurrected from the dead, Jesus wasn’t born of a virgin, Jesus didn’t pre-existent, Jesus isn’t coming again in the clouds, and so forth. Maybe not all the so called “thinking” Adventists have gone that far yet (though some probably already have), but just give them time.

The so called “thinking” Adventist is, really, nothing more than a product of the times: the times says this, the “thinking” Adventist thinks this; the times says that, the “thinking” Adventist thinks that. In contrast, the real thinking Adventist steps back, looks at the big picture, has seen in the past how following the times has led folks (and church) astray, and is determined through God’s grace not to fall into the same trap.

Pretty bad when Dale Ratzlaff is closer to truth than are these, ahem, “thinking” Adventists.

(* Admin note: I do not claim ownership of this post which is actually found at http://www.scribd.com/doc/20085349/Will-the-Real-Thinking-Adventist-Please-Stand-Up2 – if the author of this work wishes for me to remove it, please notify me.)

Copyright © 2008 by Clifford Goldstein

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